lion fish

[stevem]

poisonous is what an animal produce, while venomous is in the animals body or skin.

[rdebonis]

Originally Posted by stevem

poisonous is what an animal produce, while venomous is in the animals body or skin.

Based on your definition, that "poisonous is what an animal produces" as a biological organism (animal), the Lion Fish produces the poison that is in it's spines, the venom in it's spines is part of the Lions biological system, therefore it is produced by the Lion fish and is therefore a poison. Which logically follows that the Lion Fish is poisonous. Without the Lion Fish producing the poison, there would be no venom (or poison) in the spines.

Some puffer fish contain a poisonous gland which if eaten will kill you. These fish are generally referred to as poisonous not venomous. The Black Widow or Brown Recluse spiders are referred to correctly as either venomous or poisonous. Snakes are referred to as either Venomous or non-Venomous or Poisonous or non-Poisonous, each is valid. The Blue-Ring Octopus is correctly referred to as one of the most poisonous creatures in the sea, while it's venom, is considered one of the most toxic. It secretes this venom or poison (a neurotoxin) through it's bite. So the octopus is poisonous and what it secretes is venomous.

However if you insist that Lion Fish are Venomous and not Poisonous be my guest. Linguistics is not one of my strong points, so your answer is as good or better than mine. In any event, it's not a good idea to pick up a Lion Fish with your hands.

Hopefully end of this discussion.

[stevem]

Either way a know a few who have been stung by a lion fish, and I have heard it is very painfull. I have been lucky so far and very carefull aroud them, i have not been stuck.
One friend was pricked by a dead one and he was in extreme pain.

[rdebonis]

Originally Posted by stevem

Either way a know a few who have been stung by a lion fish, and I have heard it is very painfull. I have been lucky so far and very carefull aroud them, i have not been stuck.
One friend was pricked by a dead one and he was in extreme pain.

If you want to keep this friend, tell him to stay away from Australian Stone Fish and Blue Rings.
He should not really want to collect the Australian Stone Fish because it's really ugly, unless he likes weird bizarre looking fish; but the Blue Ring is both small and a beautiful looking Octopus. Small, cute and deadly!

A really Ugly and Deadly Stonefish

The venom of a stonefish can kill a human in two hours.






A really Beautiful and Deadly Blue Ring Octopus

This is Hapalochlaena lunulata the larger of the 2 species of Blue Ring, about 8 inches long.
It carries enough poison to kill 26 adults within minutes.

Death in a Beautiful Package!





Happy Salt Water Collecting

[stevem]

First the stone fish is so ugly it cute, and a great conversation piece.
Second the blue ring octopus is extremly hard to keep, and about $ 200.00 not cheap.

[rdebonis]

Originally Posted by stevem

First the stone fish is so ugly it cute, and a great conversation piece.
Second the blue ring octopus is extremly hard to keep, and about $ 200.00 not cheap.

Regarding the Stone Fish being cute, all I can say is you need help because only his parents can look at that puss and say he's cute!

Regarding the Blue Ring, if you're nuts enough to own one of these lethal babies in your house, I'll pay for it; if only to say that I know someone crazier than me.

and if by some weird chance you ever entertain the insane thought of owning a Blue Ring read this:

http://www.thecephalopodpage.org/bluering5.php

Knowing how octopus like to leave their tanks and wander around, you're liable to wake up up one morning with the Blue Ring snuggled next to you in bed nice and cozy. Remember speak softly to her and whatever you do don't upset her!

[rdebonis]

Steve,

While we're on the subject of collector friendly sea creatures, I've got another lovely for you to pick up, caress gently and speak sweet nothings to, the Clown Mantis Shrimp, this little beauty is almost guaranteed to take a chunk out of your hand! No poison, but real nasty!